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Three of the signers of the declaration of independence were Catholic priests. six for the constitution. Plato’s “Republic,” which was the philosophical foundation of the constitution is also the foundation for the new testament. As it is often said, the New testament is just “Plato for Dummies.”
A part of the whole does not make up the whole. An idea based on fiction does not make the fiction fact.
any philosophy is an ideal, ideals do not exist but are strived for, they are very much fiction, but a fiction which inspires us to better ourselves.
Well, some insist on the reality of their fiction, causing friction, demanding others subscribe to their testament, instead of focusing on the betterment of all.
Your comment shows that you are more concerned about the practitioners of an ideal rather than the ideal itself. If people fall short of perfection then this somehow invalidates the idea that we can, in time, we become better and even achive perfection, but then perfection would only become something else. It is an ideal and ideals can’t ever fully be realized, but only strived for, just like the “pursuit of happiness.” Happiness can never fully and continuiously be grasped, it is an ideal, we can only experience it for small streches of time before it transforms itself into a new ideal. The only requirement is that we continue to try. Even your ideas are fictions until you make them a reality.
Further and further off topic. America was not founded as, nor is it now, nor has it ever been a Christian nation. That is the point of the pic. I have a problem with lies and trying to get everyone else on board with those lies, or delusions or whatever you want to call them. It’s not the people. I’m fine with the people. It’s the misrepresentations of the facts. 🙂
Seeing as how 99% of the people who founded the US were Christian, and that the foundation of our philosophical system (Plato’s Republic) is the same philosophical root for the New Testament, it was indeed founded on “Christian” ideology. Even Thomas Jefferson wrote a translation of the new testament bible deleting all the “magic”, as he dubbed it and realized that it was just a rewriting of Plato’s “Apology”. Times have changed and it may no longer be a Christian state, but the biggest concern our founding fathers had was to keep the subsections of Christianity from fighting among themselves. Look at the charters for Maryland, Virginia, New England and Pennsylvania. They are all religious documents referencing the establishment of Christian colonies. Those are the facts.
99%? Based on the New Testament, which was based on the Holy Bible, which was based on even older myths and legends, which can surely be traced back to lightning, thunder, earthquakes, volcanoes and other angry gods and spirits. And all along the way you will find those who pull the curtains back, revealing the men behind those curtains and the lack of magic.
I really appreciate your differing views here, MAC, but I’m going to have to bring this conversation to an end. We both have different views on the subject. I’m not here to convince anyone of anything. I’m just here to share my views, to start the thinking or the conversation, but not necessarily to provide opposition for said conversations. At least not at length.
If you like, you can provide links to the charters for Maryland, Virginia, New England and Pennsylvania. Beyond that, thank you for your time, passion and taking the time to share. 🙂
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